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| - | ==== Notable Supporters ==== | ||
| - | [[wp> | ||
| - | ===== Reasoning | + | ==== Definitions |
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| - | * [[Jesus could not fully save the elect from their sins if He had not always been fully God]] | + | |
| - | * [[Jesus fully saved the elect from their sins]] | + | |
| - | * If the above is true, [[]] | + | |
| - | ∴ [[]] | + | |
| + | ==== Analogies ==== | ||
| ==== Notable Supporters ==== | ==== Notable Supporters ==== | ||
| - | [[wp>Athanasius]] | + | [[wp>Nicene_Creed# |
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| - | ===== Reasoning ===== | + | |
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| - | * [[Jesus is an unique being]] | + | |
| - | * [[if Jesus is unique, the best way to understand Him as being divine]] | + | |
| - | * If the above is true, [[]] | + | |
| - | ∴ [[]] | + | |
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| - | ===== Reasoning ===== | + | |
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| - | * [[Jesus is eternal]] | + | |
| - | * [[if Jesus is eternal, He must have always been fully God]] | + | |
| - | * If the above is true, [[]] | + | |
| - | ∴ [[]] | + | |
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| - | ===== Reasoning ===== | + | |
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| - | * [[Jesus is omniscient]] | + | |
| - | * [[if Jesus is omniscient, He must have always been fully God]] | + | |
| - | * If the above is true, [[]] | + | |
| - | ∴ [[]] | + | |
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| - | ===== Support ===== | + | |
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| - | * [[Many in Jesus' day claimed that He was God]] | + | |
| - | * [[Jesus did not refute any of their claims while on Earth]] | + | |
| - | * If the above is true, it is much more likely that [[]] | + | |
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| - | ===== Reasoning ===== | + | |
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| - | * [[Jesus claimed to be God]] | + | |
| - | * [[if Jesus claimed to be God, either He is a liar, a lunatic, mistaken, or telling the truth]] | + | |
| - | * [[Jesus was not lying]] | + | |
| - | * [[Jesus was not crazy]] | + | |
| - | * [[Jesus was not mistaken]] | + | |
| - | * [[If Jesus was God then, He has always been God]] | + | |
| - | * If the above is true, [[]] | + | |
| - | ∴ [[]] | + | |
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| - | ===== Reasoning ===== | + | |
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| - | * [[Jesus claimed to be God]] | + | |
| - | * [[Jesus claimed His rising from the dead proves His identity]] | + | |
| - | * [[Jesus claimed His rising from the dead proved He was God]] | + | |
| - | * [[God raised Jesus from the dead]] | + | |
| - | * [[x God would raise Jesus from the dead unless He affirmed Jesus' claim that His rising from the dead proved He was God]] | + | |
| - | * If the above is true, [[]] | + | |
| - | ∴ [[]] | + | |
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| - | ===== Reasoning ===== | + | |
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| - | * [[Christians have unique abilities to perform miracles]] | + | |
| - | * [[if Christians have unique abilities to perform miracles, either Christians have unknowingly tapped into an abstract spiritual force or their God is identifying Himself with them]] | + | |
| - | * [[x Christians have unknowingly tapped into an abstract spiritual force]] | + | |
| - | * [[if God is identifying Himself with Christians, He is identifying Himself with Jesus]] | + | |
| - | * [[Jesus claimed to be God]] | + | |
| - | * [[if God identifies Himself with Jesus, He supports all of Jesus' claims]] | + | |
| - | * [[if Jesus is God, He has always been God]] | + | |
| - | * If the above is true, [[]] | + | |
| - | ∴ [[]] | + | |
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| - | ==== Notable Supporters ==== | + | |
| - | Lewis, C. S. Mere Christianity, | + | |
| - | FIXME this citation has not been verified to be accurate. | + | |
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| - | ===== Reasoning ===== | + | |
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| - | * [[Jesus did things only God could do]] | + | |
| - | * [[if Jesus did things only God could do, He must have always been fully God]] | + | |
| - | * If the above is true, [[]] | + | |
| - | ∴ [[]] | + | |
| ====== Counter-Statement ====== | ====== Counter-Statement ====== | ||