====== the Son has always been fully God ======

===== Assumptions =====
  * [[The Laws of Logic hold universally]]
  * [[Christianity#Distinctive, characteristic beliefs|Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs]]

===== Reasoning =====

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  * [[The ecumenical councils held the position that the Son has always been fully God]]
  * [[The positions of the ecumenical councils have stood up to scrutiny for 2,000 years]]
  * [[If the positions have stood up to scrutiny for 2,000 years, they are true]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

==== Notable Supporters ====
[[wp>Nicene_Creed#Niceno-Constantinopolitan_Creed|Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed]]

===== Reasoning =====

  * [[Jesus could not fully save the elect from their sins if He had not always been fully God]]
  * [[Jesus fully saved the elect from their sins]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]


==== Notable Supporters ====
[[wp>Athanasius]]


===== Reasoning =====

  * [[Jesus is an unique being]]
  * [[if Jesus is unique, the best way to understand Him as being divine]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

===== Reasoning =====

  * [[Jesus is eternal]]
  * [[if Jesus is eternal, He must have always been fully God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

===== Reasoning =====

  * [[Jesus is omniscient]]
  * [[if Jesus is omniscient, He must have always been fully God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

===== Support =====

  * [[Many in Jesus' day that He was God]]
  * [[Jesus did not refute any of their claims while on Earth]]
  * If the above is true, it is much more likely that [[]]

===== Reasoning =====

  * [[Jesus claimed to be God]]
  * [[if Jesus claimed to be God, either He is a liar, a lunatic, mistaken, or telling the truth]]
  * [[Jesus was not lying]]
  * [[Jesus was not crazy]]
  * [[Jesus was not mistaken]]
  * [[If Jesus was God then, He has always been God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

==== Notable Supporters ====
Lewis, C. S. Mere Christianity, 1952, 55-56.
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===== Reasoning =====

  * [[Jesus did things only God could do]]
  * [[if Jesus did things only God could do, He must have always been fully God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]


====== Counter-Statement ======
[[x the Son has always been fully God]]


====== Talk ======