a begotten being is created by the parents

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T08:44:44+00:00

a begotten being is created by the parents Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Statement x a begotten being is created by the parents Talk

a begotten being is of lower rank than the begetter

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-10-21T01:40:40+00:00

a begotten being is of lower rank than the begetter Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Statement x a begotten being is of lower rank than the begetter Talk

Adoptionism is true

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-26T23:47:10+00:00

Adoptionism is true Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Arius Counter-Statement x Adoptionism is true Talk

carmelics

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-05T12:39:30+00:00

Welcome! You've stumbled across Carmelics. This site is in the earliest of its baby stages, but feel free to contact Loyal at to talk with me about it and help it grow! Want to explore? Here's a field of belief that is currently being developed: Christianity

Christianity

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-15T17:44:27+00:00

Christianity Christianity Class: Religion Traditions: * Eastern Orthodox * Roman Catholic * Protestant/Evangelical * Other Distinctive, characteristic beliefs: *

Christianity has no reason to deviate from the tradition of the Spirit being an emphatic presence of God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T11:35:26+00:00

Christianity has no reason to deviate from the tradition of the Spirit being an emphatic presence of God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Christians are spiritual successors to Jews * spiritual successor religions should accept the previous religion by default except in points they need to disagree * x Christians need to disagree with Jews on the Spirit's relationship with the Father * If the above i…

Essential Trinitarianism best represents all of the evidence and facts we have about God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-04T10:42:06+00:00

Essential Trinitarianism best represents all of the evidence and facts we have about God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Reasoning Definitions Essential Trinitarianism Analogies Notable Supporters of this Reasoning Counter-Argument ~ Talk

Essential Trinitarianism is true

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-01T14:36:15+00:00

FIXME Essential Trinitarianism is true Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Jesus' claims about Himself are true * The Classical Christian faith is true * The Bible is authoritative Reasoning * The Trinity itself is self-consistent * Trinity best represents all of the evidence and facts we have about God * If the above is true, Essential Trinitarianism is true ∴ Essential Trinitarianism is true Definitions Essential Trinitarianism * There is one God * The…

Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Protestant Hell

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-20T06:21:51+00:00

Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Protestant Hell Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Protestant/Evangelical Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Definitions Eternal Conscious Torment: the belief that Hell involves humans suffering in absolute torment, fully conscious and aware of that torment, from the moment they enter and for all of eternity.

Father, Son and Spirit are composed of the same ousia

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T11:52:52+00:00

Father, Son and Spirit are composed of the same ousia Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Definitions ousia: substance Counter-Statement x Father, Son and Spirit are composed of the same ousia Talk

firstborn in Col 1.15 means that x Jesus is eternal

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T11:06:45+00:00

firstborn in Col 1.15 means that x Jesus is eternal Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Counter-Statement x firstborn in Col 1.15 means that x Jesus is eternal Talk

firstborn in Ps 89.27 means that x Jesus is eternal

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T11:01:39+00:00

firstborn in Ps 89.27 means that x Jesus is eternal Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Counter-Statement x firstborn in Ps 89.27 means that x Jesus is eternal Talk

God being both unbegotten and begotten accords with God's simplicity

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-06-02T21:49:47+00:00

God being both unbegotten and begotten accords with God's simplicity Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * God's simplicity is about a simple essence, not simple characteristics * x being begotten and unbegotten impacts the essence of God * If the above is true, God being both unbegotten and begotten accords with God's simplicity ∴ God being both unbegotten and begotten accords with God's simplicity Analo…

x God exists outside Father, Son, and Spirit

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-26T04:51:13+00:00

x God exists outside Father, Son, and Spirit Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * x God will provide more Scripture to reveal new aspects about Himself * the Scripture we have today will forever give us a sufficient understanding of God * the best interpretation of Scripture is that God is merely Father, Son, and Spirit * If the above is true, x God exists outside Father, Son, and Spirit ∴ x God exists …

God exists

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-20T06:23:49+00:00

God exists Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally Reasoning: Cosmological Reasoning (Kalam) * the universe has a cause of its existence * if the universe has a cause, its cause can be called God * If the above is true, God exists ∴ God exists Notable Supporters William Lane Craig Reasoning (Intelligent Design) Reasoning (Sufficient Reason) * the universe demands a reason for existing * the reason for its existence is God * If the above is true, God exists ∴…

God exists outside Father, Son, and Spirit

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-19T16:13:10+00:00

God exists outside Father, Son, and Spirit Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * the Son and the Spirit are mere emanations from the Father * emanations of a thing are not the full thing in itself * if something is not the full thing, there is more outside of it * if there is God outside of the Son and the Spirit, there may as well be God outside the Father * if there is God outside all three members, t…

God's fatherhood either describes His nature and essence or His activity

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T09:08:27+00:00

God's fatherhood either describes His nature and essence or His activity Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Eunomius Counter-Statement x God's Fatherhood either describes His nature and essence or His activity Talk

God will provide more Scripture to reveal new aspects about Himself

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-26T22:33:27+00:00

God will provide more Scripture to reveal new aspects about Himself Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * God provided more revelation of Himself to the Jews when they did not expect it * If God provided more revelation of Himself when Jews did not expect it, He could provide more revelation to Christians today * If the above is true, God will provide more Scripture to reveal new aspects about Himself ∴ Go…

God works in perichoresis

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-19T04:45:16+00:00

God works in perichoresis Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Scripture demonstrates perichoresis * If the above is true, God works in perichoresis ∴ God works in perichoresis Definitions perichoresis: mutual indwelling Analogies Notable Defenders of this Position Counter-Argument x God works in perichoresis Talk

help_develop_this_site

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-24T18:27:16+00:00

Like Wikipedia, this site is made to be developed and contributed to by all. If you want to be part of it, awesome! There's two main ways to do so: * If you've got ideas and thoughts that the site hasn't represented yet, or you think an important idea has been left out, please contribute and make this site your own so all can have access to it! Check out

If God exists as an idea in the mind, He must exist outside the mind

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T12:45:09+00:00

If God exists as an idea in the mind, He must exist outside the mind Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally Reasoning * If God exists merely as an idea in the mind, then we can imagine something that is greater than that which none greater can be imagined, God * If the above is true, If God exists as an idea in the mind, He must exist outside the mind ∴ If God exists as an idea in the mind, He must exist outside the mind Counter-Statement Talk

It is not that there is a redemptive purpose in continuing evil for all eternity

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-06-28T15:15:14+00:00

It is not that there is a redemptive purpose in continuing evil for all eternity Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Protestant/Evangelical Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * If there is a redemptive purpose in continuing evil for all eternity, it must serve someone * xthe redemptive purpose served by eternally continued evil serves someone * If the above is true, It is not that there is a redemptive purpose in continuing evil for all eter…

Jesus claimed to be God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T11:25:05+00:00

Jesus claimed to be God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Jesus' use of I Am demonstrates His claim to be God (John) * If the above is true, Jesus claimed to be God ∴ Jesus claimed to be God * Jesus forgave sins * Jesus knew that only God could forgive sins * If the above is true, Jesus claimed to be God ∴ Jesus claimed to be God * Jesus never corrected people when they claimed He was divine …

Jesus did things only God could do

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T11:29:31+00:00

Jesus did things only God could do Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Jesus knew what others were thinking * only God can know what others were thinking * If the above is true, Jesus did things only God could do ∴ Jesus did things only God could do * Jesus healed others * only God can heal others * If the above is true, Jesus did things only God could do ∴ Jesus did things only God could do * …

Statement

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-02T18:59:42+00:00

Statement Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * John 1.1-10 demonstrates Jesus is eternal * If the above is true, Statement ∴ Statement Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Statement x Jesus is eternal Talk

Jesus is homoousious to the Father

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-05T06:20:51+00:00

Jesus is homoousious to the Father Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Statement x Jesus is homoousious to the Father Talk

Jesus was a mere man

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-21T00:01:58+00:00

Jesus was a mere man Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Ebionitus Counter-Statement x Jesus was a mere man Talk

Jesus was begotten in all the same ways a human is begotten

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T08:18:15+00:00

Jesus was begotten in all the same ways a human is begotten Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Statement x Jesus was begotten in all the same ways a human is begotten Talk

x 1st Century Jews believed God's oneness denied multiple consciousnesses

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-04T09:38:32+00:00

x 1st Century Jews believed God's oneness denied multiple consciousnesses Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * 3,000-5,000 Jews were converted at Pentecost * 3,000-5,000 Jews at Pentecost would not have converted if Jesus' codividnity with the Father were mutually exclusive * Jesus' codivinity with the Father means multiple consciousnesses in the divine God * If the above is true, x 1st Century Jews beli…

Many in Jesus' day claimed that He was God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T11:17:08+00:00

Many in Jesus' day claimed that He was God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Thomas declared that Jesus was his Lord and his God (John 20:28) * The author of Colossians declared that Jesus was God (Col 1; Col 2:9) * The author of Hebrews claimed that Jesus was God (Heb 1) * The author of Rev 19.16 declares Jesus is God * Jesus is described as creator throughout Scripture * the author of John 1 dec…

Modalism is true

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T09:38:55+00:00

Modalism is true Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Counter-Statement x Modalism is true Talk To develop this page, we can probably draw reasoning from the Modalism page.

Old Testament Jews always considered the Spirit as an emphatic presence of God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T10:46:14+00:00

Old Testament Jews always considered the Spirit as an emphatic presence of God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Notable Supporters Vince McLaughlin, Ruach in the Psalms: A Pneumatogical Understanding (XLIBRIS, 2012), Chapter 1. Counter-Statement Talk

only one God exists

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-16T00:57:56+00:00

only one God exists Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning FIXME This has been flagged as an appeal to authority. Before removing this flag, ensure the reasoning is based on the evidence the authority had, not the authority itself. * The ecumenical councils held the position that only one God exists. * The positions of the ecumenical councils have stood up to scrutiny for 2,000 years. * If the positions have …

only one God exists means that God is only one consciousness

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-26T12:08:12+00:00

only one God exists means that God is only one consciousness Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning ∴ only one God exists means that God is only one consciousness Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Argument Statement Talk

Protestant/Evangelical

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-19T09:29:03+00:00

Protestant/Evangelical Protestantism Class: Tradition of: Christianity Families * Baptist * Lutheran * Charismatic * Anglican * Episcopalian * Pentecostal * Quaker Distinctive, characteristic beliefs * Essential Trinitarianism * Relationships between members of the Trinity * Evangelical Christology * Scripture is authoritative * Scripture's original manuscripts are inerrant Significant discussions * Protestant/Evangelical

Protestant/Evangelical

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-19T16:12:23+00:00

Protestant/Evangelical Protestant views on Hell Class: Discussion of: Protestant/Evangelical Christianity Positions * Eternal Conscious Torment is the true Protestant Hell * Annihilation positions * Insubordination positions * Universalism positions Talk

Sample statement

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-03T03:58:32+00:00

Sample statement Assumptions (Don't confuse these with premises. A premise is something necessary for the argument. An assumption is something necessary to even hold the conversation. For example, if you're wanting to argue with someone about whether tacos are the best Mexican food, something like

scripture_demonstrates_perichoresis

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-05T06:07:31+00:00

Hello, Eric here with a quick thought about your website Carmelics Cool website! My name’s Eric, and I just found your site - Carmelics - while surfing the net. You showed up at the top of the search results, so I checked you out. Looks like what you’re doing is pretty cool.

sidebar

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-20T06:24:40+00:00

welcome page] [[sample_syllogistic_argument_framework|Sample statement Help develop this site Statement template Quick reference: ~ It is not the case that... ∴ Therefore

start

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-20T06:23:48+00:00

Welcome! You've stumbled across Carmelics. This site is in the earliest of its baby stages, but feel free to contact Loyal at loyalcj at outlook dot com to talk with me about it and help it grow! Here's the Sample statement that all the ideas on the site run under.

statement_template

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-19T04:04:38+00:00

====== Statement ====== ===== Assumptions ===== * [[The Laws of Logic hold universally]] * ===== Reasoning ===== * * If the above is true, [[]] ∴ [[]] ==== Definitions ==== ==== Analogies ==== ==== Notable Supporters ==== ====== Counter-Statement ====== [[ ====== Talk ======

the ecumenical councils held that the son is not the Spirit

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-04T09:57:02+00:00

the ecumenical councils held that the son is not the Spirit Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * The Nicene-Constantinople creed held that the Son is not the Spirit * If the above is true, the ecumenical councils held that the son is not the Spirit ∴ the ecumenical councils held that the son is not the Spirit Notable Supporters Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed Counter-Statement Talk

the Father and Son are characteristically different

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-15T12:55:16+00:00

the Father and Son are characteristically different Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * the Father is characteristically angry and wrathful * the Son is characteristically merciful and loving * If the above is true, the Father and Son are characteristically different ∴ the Father and Son are characteristically different Counter-Statement x the Father and Son are characteristically different Talk

The Father is fully God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-05T07:39:34+00:00

The Father is fully God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning FIXME This has been flagged as an appeal to authority. Before removing this flag, ensure the reasoning is based on the evidence the authority had, not the authority itself. * The ecumenical councils held the position that the Father is fully God * The positions of the ecumenical councils have stood up to scrutiny for 2,000 years * If the positions…

x the Father is the Son

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-26T23:31:48+00:00

x the Father is the Son Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning FIXME This has been flagged as an appeal to authority. Before removing this flag, ensure the reasoning is based on the evidence the authority had, not the authority itself. * The ecumenical councils held the position that the Father is not the Son * The positions of the ecumenical councils have stood up to scrutiny for 2,000 years * If the positio…

the Father is the Son

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T09:37:03+00:00

the Father is the Son Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Modalism is true * If the above is true, the Father is the Son ∴ the Father is the Son Definitions Modalism: God is one, operating in different modes at the same time Counter-Statement Talk

The Laws of Logic Hold Universally

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-18T19:46:47+00:00

The Laws of Logic Hold Universally Assumptions Reasoning * There is no way to prove them wrong * If the above is true, The Laws of Logic Hold Universally ∴ The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * We need the laws of logic in order to even hold a discussion * If the above is true, The Laws of Logic Hold Universally ∴ The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * The laws are self-evident and self-proving

the Scripture we have today will forever give us a sufficient understanding of God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-26T22:24:10+00:00

the Scripture we have today will forever give us a sufficient understanding of God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * x God will provide more Scripture to reveal new aspects about Himself * What God has revealed in Scripture is sufficient as long as it remains the current revelation * If the above is true, the Scripture we have today will forever give us a sufficient understanding of God ∴ the Scripture…

the Son has always been fully God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-02T16:50:58+00:00

the Son has always been fully God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning FIXME This has been flagged as an appeal to authority. Before removing this flag, ensure the reasoning is based on the evidence the authority had, not the authority itself. * The ecumenical councils held the position that the Son has always been fully God *

the Son is less divine than the Father

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-05T06:55:18+00:00

the Son is less divine than the Father Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * x the Son always existed * if x the Son always existed, and the Father always existed, then the Son is less divine than the Father * If the above is true, the Son is less divine than the Father ∴ the Son is less divine than the Father * a begotten being is of lower rank than the begetter * the Father beget the Son * If the …

x the Son is the Spirit

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-05-04T05:46:53+00:00

x the Son is the Spirit Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning FIXME This has been flagged as an appeal to authority. Before removing this flag, ensure the reasoning is based on the evidence the authority had, not the authority itself. * the ecumenical councils held that the son is not the Spirit * The positions of the ecumenical councils have stood up to scrutiny for 2,000 years * If the positions have stood…

the Son is the Spirit

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-15T18:22:23+00:00

the Son is the Spirit Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Modalism is true * If the above is true, the Son is the Spirit ∴ the Son is the Spirit Counter-Statement x the Son is the Spirit Talk

the Spirit is fully God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T11:45:41+00:00

the Spirit is fully God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * the Spirit possesses abilities only God could have * If the above is true, the Spirit is fully God ∴ the Spirit is fully God * Scripture declares the Spirit to be God (Acts 5:3-4) * If the above is true, the Spirit is fully God ∴ the Spirit is fully God * the Spirit rightly receives worship * only God can rightly receive worship * If …

x the Spirit is the Father

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-31T14:18:06+00:00

x the Spirit is the Father Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * the Spirit is a "He" in Scripture * If the above is true, x the Spirit is the Father ∴ x the Spirit is the Father Reasoning * the Spirit has a conscious will unique from the Father * If the above is true, x the Spirit is the Father ∴ x the Spirit is the Father Reasoning * Jesus sends the Spirit as if He is distinct from the Father (J…

the Spirit is the Father

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-19T09:35:56+00:00

the Spirit is the Father Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Old Testament Jews always considered the Spirit as an emphatic presence of God * Christianity has no reason to deviate from this tradition * If the above is true, the Spirit is the Father ∴ the Spirit is the Father Reasoning * throughout history, the Spirit has been considered an instrument instead of a person * If the above is true, the …

the Spirit possesses abilities only God could have

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T07:32:52+00:00

the Spirit possesses abilities only God could have Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * the Spirit is omniscient (Isa 40:13; 1 Cor 2:10-12) * omniscience is an attribute only God could have * If the above is true, the Spirit possesses abilities only God could have ∴ the Spirit possesses abilities only God could have Reasoning * the Spirit is omnipresent (Psa 139:7-10) * omnipresence is an attribute …

the Spirit proceeds from the Father

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T11:49:39+00:00

the Spirit proceeds from the Father Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Notable Supporters Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed Counter-Statement Talk

the Spirit speaks

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T11:38:19+00:00

the Spirit speaks Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * the Spirit prompts Christians (but quietly) * prompting is speaking * If the above is true, the Spirit speaks ∴ the Spirit speaks Counter-Statement x the Spirit speaks Talk

the universe demands a reason for existing

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T12:43:52+00:00

the universe demands a reason for existing Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally Reasoning * everything that exists demands a reason * the universe exists * If the above is true, the universe demands a reason for existing ∴ the universe demands a reason for existing Counter-Statement Talk

the universe has a cause of its existence

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-19T09:25:14+00:00

the universe has a cause of its existence Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * everything that exists has a cause of its existence * the universe began to exist * If the above is true, the universe has a cause of its existence ∴ the universe has a cause of its existence Notable Supporters William Lane Craig Talk

Tips on contributing

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-19T09:15:44+00:00

Tips on contributing If you are adding new content Words to avoid using in statements This/that/these/those Instead of saying: * Old Testament Jews always considered the Spirit as an emphatic presence of God * Christianity has no reason to deviate from this tradition

what_s_this_all_about

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-20T06:24:39+00:00

What is Carmelics all about? We all share important questions. In fact, they're really important. Like, course-of-your-life-altering, fate-of-the-world-determining, important. But how do we go about answering them? The common strategy is to find someone you trust or enjoy who has assuredly thought about these issues much more than you have and believe whatever they say. But now you're putting the fate of your life (and the course of the nation) in the brain and hands of someone else. Is it wor…

why_the_name_carmelics

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-20T07:10:48+00:00

Why the name Carmelics? Good question! The name is currently subject to change, but this is what we have for now. The names comes from the incident on Mt. Carmel in 1 Kings 18:20-21 in the Bible. Elijah a prophet of his God standing in front of the prophets of the god Baal and the people of the nation, said,

x a begotten being is created by the parents

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-04T03:45:58+00:00

x a begotten being is created by the parents Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Jesus was begotten * Jesus was not created * If the above is true, x a begotten being is created by the parents ∴ x a begotten being is created by the parents Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Gregory of Nazianzus Nicene Creed Counter-Statement a begotten being is created by the parents Talk

x Adoptionism is true

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-20T06:18:01+00:00

x Adoptionism is true Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * If the Son became God, then He is less in rank to the Father * Jesus is of equal rank to the Father * Jesus cannot be of less rank and equal rank to the Father: Law of the Excluded Middle * If the above is true, x Adoptionism is true ∴ x Adoptionism is true * If the Son became God, He is not homoousious to the Father * Jesus is the same hom…

x Father, Son and Spirit are composed of the same ousia

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-04T05:19:33+00:00

x Father, Son and Spirit are composed of the same ousia Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Definitions ousia: substance Reasoning * the Father is characteristically angry and wrathful * the Son is characteristically merciful and loving * the Father and Son are characteristically different * if beings are characteristically different, they are composed of different ousia * If the above is true, x Father, Son an…

x firstborn in Col 1.15 means that x Jesus is eternal

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T11:07:36+00:00

x firstborn in Col 1.15 means that x Jesus is eternal Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * firstborn in Col 1.15 means Jesus' relationship to the Father is preeminent * if firstborn in Col 1.15 means Jesus' relationship to the Father is preeminent, then x firstborn in Col 1.15 means that x Jesus is eternal * If the above is true, x firstborn in Col 1.15 means that x Jesus is eternal ∴ x firstborn in Col 1…

x firstborn in Ps 89.27 means that x Jesus is eternal

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-10-20T22:55:22+00:00

x firstborn in Ps 89.27 means that x Jesus is eternal Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * firstborn in Ps 89.27 means Jesus' relationship to the Father is preeminent * if firstborn in Ps 89.27 means Jesus' relationship to the Father is preeminent, then x firstborn in Ps 89.27 means that x Jesus is eternal * If the above is true, x firstborn in Ps 89.27 means that x Jesus is eternal ∴ x firstborn in Ps 89…

x God being both unbegotten and begotten accords with God's simplicity

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T15:55:43+00:00

x God being both unbegotten and begotten accords with God's simplicity Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Counter-Statement God being both unbegotten and begotten accords with God's simplicity Talk

x God's Fatherhood either describes His nature and essence or His activity

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-04T10:02:03+00:00

x God's Fatherhood either describes His nature and essence or His activity Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * God's Fatherhood could describe His relationship with the Son * If the above is true, x God's Fatherhood either describes His nature and essence or His activity ∴ x God's Fatherhood either describes His nature and essence or His activity Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Gregory of Nyss…

x God will provide more Scripture to reveal new aspects about Himself

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-26T22:27:04+00:00

x God will provide more Scripture to reveal new aspects about Himself Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Argument God will provide more Scripture to reveal new aspects about Himself Talk

x Jesus is eternal

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T10:59:43+00:00

x Jesus is eternal Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Col 1.15 demonstrates that Jesus was the firstborn of creation * firstborn in Col 1.15 means that x Jesus is eternal * If the above is true, x Jesus is eternal ∴ x Jesus is eternal Reasoning * Ps 89.27 demonstrates that Jesus was the firstborn of creation * firstborn in Ps 89.27 means that x Jesus is eternal * If the above is true, x Jesus is…

x Jesus was a mere man

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-15T12:54:28+00:00

x Jesus was a mere man Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * if Jesus was a mere man, he would not be God * the Son has always been fully God * If the above is true, x Jesus was a mere man ∴ x Jesus was a mere man Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Statement Jesus was a mere man Talk

x Jesus was begotten in all the same ways a human is begotten

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-27T08:21:57+00:00

x Jesus was begotten in all the same ways a human is begotten Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Jesus' transcendence makes Him very different from a human * if Jesus is different from humans, His begetting is different from humans * If the above is true, x Jesus was begotten in all the same ways a human is begotten ∴ x Jesus was begotten in all the same ways a human is begotten * Jesus has always be…

x Modalism is true

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-15T12:35:32+00:00

x Modalism is true Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Scripture denies modalism (John 14-17; Luke 3:21-22) * If the above is true, x Modalism is true ∴ x Modalism is true Notable Supporters J. Scott Horrell, Nathan D. Holsteen, and Michael J. Svigel, “God in Three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,” in Exploring Christian Theology: Revelation, Scripture, and the Triune God, ed. Nathan D. Holsteen an…

Statement

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-04T08:26:44+00:00

Statement Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * x 1st Century Jews believed God's oneness denied multiple consciousnesses * If the above is true, Statement ∴ Statement Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Argument only one God exists means that God is only one consciousness Talk

x the Son always existed

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-20T04:18:47+00:00

x the Son always existed Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Jesus was begotten in all the same ways a human is begotten * a human's begetting involves not existing, then existing * If the above is true, x the Son always existed ∴ x the Son always existed Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Counter-Statement the Son always existed Talk

x the Son has always been fully God

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-12-20T06:23:54+00:00

x the Son has always been fully God Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * the Son is subordinate to the Father * if the Son is subordinate to the Father, then the Son is not fully God * If the above is true, x the Son has always been fully God ∴ x the Son has always been fully God Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Arius (cf. Arianism) Reasoning * the Son is less divine than the Father * if…

x the Son is less divine than the Father

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-10-22T08:47:24+00:00

x the Son is less divine than the Father Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning Definitions Analogies Notable Supporters Gregory of Nyssa Nicene Creed Basil of Caesarea Athanasius Counter-Statement the Son is less divine than the Father Talk

x the Spirit speaks

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-05-31T11:36:55+00:00

x the Spirit speaks Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Counter-Statement the Spirit speaks Talk

xEternal Conscious Torment is the true Protestant Hell

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2026-01-03T08:42:17+00:00

xEternal Conscious Torment is the true Protestant Hell Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Protestant/Evangelical Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Groups of Reasoning * Arguments for "xEternal Conscious Torment is the true Protestant Hell" based on an aspect of God * Arguments for "xEternal Conscious Torment is the true Protestant Hell" based on a future action of God Reasoning * Eternal Conscious Torment requires principles of justice * It is n…

xGod continuing evil for all eternity is consistent with His justice

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2021-06-28T14:43:52+00:00

xGod continuing evil for all eternity is consistent with His justice Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Protestant/Evangelical Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * If continuing evil for eternity is consistent with the justice of God, then there is a redemptive purpose in the continuing evil * It is not that there is a redemptive purpose in continuing evil for all eternity * If the above is true, xGod continuing evil for all eternity is con…

xGod's permission of Eternal Conscious Torment is consistent with His justice

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-28T21:09:19+00:00

xGod's permission of Eternal Conscious Torment is consistent with His justice Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Protestant/Evangelical Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * Eternal Conscious Torment involves God continuing evil for all eternity * xGod continuing evil for all eternity is consistent with His justice * If the above is true, xGod's permission of Eternal Conscious Torment is consistent with His justice ∴ xGod's permission of Et…

xGod's permission of Eternal Conscious Torment is consistent with His love

Anonymous (anonymous@undisclosed.example.com) — 2025-04-04T10:55:06+00:00

xGod's permission of Eternal Conscious Torment is consistent with His love Assumptions * The Laws of Logic Hold Universally * Protestant/Evangelical Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs Reasoning * If God permits Eternal Conscious Torment, He damns people to Hell against their will * xGod damning people to Hell is consistent with His love * If the above is true, xGod's permission of Eternal Conscious Torment is consistent with His love ∴ xGod's permission of Eternal …