✎ the Son has always been fully God []

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====== the Son has always been fully God ======

===== Assumptions =====
  * [[The Laws of Logic hold universally]]
  * [[Christianity#Distinctive, characteristic beliefs|Christianity's distinctive, characteristic beliefs]]

===== Reasoning =====

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  * [[The ecumenical councils held the position that the Son has always been fully God]]
  * [[The positions of the ecumenical councils have stood up to scrutiny for 2,000 years]]
  * [[If the positions have stood up to scrutiny for 2,000 years, they are true]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

==== Notable Supporters ====
[[wp>Nicene_Creed#Niceno-Constantinopolitan_Creed|Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed]]

===== Reasoning =====

* [[Jesus could not fully save the elect from their sins if He had not always been fully God]]
  * [[Jesus fully saved the elect from their sins]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

==== Notable Supporters ====
[[wp>Athanasius]]

===== Reasoning =====

* [[Jesus is an unique being]]
  * [[if Jesus is unique, the best way to understand Him as being divine]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

===== Reasoning =====

* [[Jesus is eternal]]
  * [[if Jesus is eternal, He must have always been fully God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

===== Reasoning =====

* [[Jesus is omniscient]]
  * [[if Jesus is omniscient, He must have always been fully God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

===== Support =====

* [[Many in Jesus' day claimed that He was God]]
  * [[Jesus did not refute any of their claims while on Earth]]
  * If the above is true, it is much more likely that [[]]

===== Reasoning =====

* [[Jesus claimed to be God]]
  * [[if Jesus claimed to be God, either He is a liar, a lunatic, mistaken, or telling the truth]]
  * [[Jesus was not lying]]
  * [[Jesus was not crazy]]
  * [[Jesus was not mistaken]]
  * [[If Jesus was God then, He has always been God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

==== Notable Supporters ====
Lewis, C. S. Mere Christianity, 1952, 55-56.
FIXME this citation has not been verified to be accurate.

===== Reasoning =====

* [[Jesus claimed to be God]]
  * [[Jesus claimed His rising from the dead proves His identity]]
  * [[Jesus claimed His rising from the dead proved He was God]]
  * [[God raised Jesus from the dead]]
  * [[x God would raise Jesus from the dead unless He affirmed Jesus' claim that His rising from the dead proved He was God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

===== Reasoning =====

* [[Christians have unique abilities to perform miracles]]
  * [[if Christians have unique abilities to perform miracles, either Christians have unknowingly tapped into an abstract spiritual force or their God is identifying Himself with them]]
  * [[x Christians have unknowingly tapped into an abstract spiritual force]]
  * [[if God is identifying Himself with Christians, He is identifying Himself with Jesus]]
  * [[Jesus claimed to be God]]
  * [[if God identifies Himself with Jesus, He supports all of Jesus' claims]]
  * [[if Jesus is God, He has always been God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

===== Reasoning =====

* [[Jesus did things only God could do]]
  * [[if Jesus did things only God could do, He must have always been fully God]]
  * If the above is true, [[]]
∴ [[]]

====== Counter-Statement ======
[[x the Son has always been fully God]]

====== Talk ======

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